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| MattH | Hiya DIYA |
| DeathIsYourArt | Hiya Harris... I'm doing the whole online rally thing and someone has stolen both DeathIsYourArt and DIYA at all the boards |
| DeathIsYourArt | weird and a little upsetting |
| MattH | Well that sucks |
| DeathIsYourArt | So how has your last 2 weeks been? |
| MattH | Poor - computer problems and fights with the company (GE) that has my service contract |
| DeathIsYourArt | I lost my job YAY!!! he he he The union gave my job away to someone with more seniority |
| MattH | Ouch... |
| DeathIsYourArt | yep... |
| DeathIsYourArt | Happens |
| MattH | I was in a union job for several years...was a shop steward for the last one. I have no respect for unions left. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I understand their policies... I just got the short end of it |
| MattH | Are you eligible for unemployment? |
| DeathIsYourArt | no... I am nto a full member of the union yet. That is why I lost my job. Hopefully there will be another temp job that I can get in the mean time |
| MattH | I have been working a "temp" job for 8 months now...they were supposed to bring me on permanently in January but it got pushed back until the second quarter due to budget reasons. |
| DeathIsYourArt | That happens a lot where I work. The problem is that if the job gets turned permanent they have to post it to the union members as well as allow the current emplyee to re-apply for the job. So though permanent status may get you benefits, you may not actually keep your job |
| MattH | Where I work right now (an insurance co) insn't unionized, so that at least won't be an issue. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Well one of us will have a job. Which means that one day you can steal LLL from her boyfriend he he he |
| DeathIsYourArt | I wonder where everyone is...they know we are here...silly people. Angel and K&C go off and they just abandon everything |
| MattH | Was anyone here last week? |
| MattH | Normally that chat room is empty when K&C aren't on. |
| DeathIsYourArt | ya but they know we come anyways, they saw that after the first week. And no no one was here. I checked in to make sure after we found out that you had computer problems |
| DeathIsYourArt | I can't wait to see the DVD for season &. I have not met them and I tell people about when I talk about the show, and now I can show them who I am talking about |
| DeathIsYourArt | K&C I mean...I realize that last sentence was vague |
| MattH | I'll probably be waiting a couple months to get the DVD...I still haven't watched all of my S5 ones yet. |
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| MattH | Hiya CM |
| Elais | so there ARE people in here |
| MattH | Well, if we qualify ;-) |
| Elais | hi Matt, Death |
| Elais | i wonder how the Angel rally is going? |
| MattH | In Burbank? No idea. |
| Elais | hope there is a big crowd |
| DeathIsYourArt | Hiya Elias. The online rally is slow and a little annoying, with people stealing my name grrr |
| Elais | you can borrow mine *g* |
| MattH | But then who would you be? |
| Elais | I've got one or two other names I can use |
| Elais | I'm not on the online rally thing |
| DeathIsYourArt | I have been using AbsynthDeTemps and DeathIsArt as substitutes. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I'll do my bit, if nothing else it encourages ME to follow through on their promise to give us more in one format or another...plus anything to stick it to Levin at this point |
| Elais | I don't really think they'll renew the show itself |
| MattH | Yeah - it is probably too late for that. |
| Elais | but I would be happy to see Angel in any format |
| MattH | Another show set in the Jossverse would be nice though. |
| MattH | There is not much else on TV that I am intertested in watching. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I'm going to miss Spike SO MUCH..... 8sniffle* ...wait no sniffle...I'm mad D*** it! |
| DeathIsYourArt | I have a wee bottle of Jack with me to toast the last show with.... only 6 to go.. it isn't enough |
| Elais | 6 is a drop in the bucket |
| MattH | Only six left...the story arc is just getting interesting |
| Elais | there is sooooo much more they could have done next season |
| MattH | Yeah...I doubt any ending they do will really wrap things up that neatly. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Buffy doesn't even know Spike is alive... Iwant a buffy movie, then an Angel movie...like yesterday |
| MattH | I'm sure Andrew would have told her. |
| DeathIsYourArt | no he said he wouldn't and Danas mumblings can't be trusted... darn it |
| MattH | Yeah...but he probably would end up letting it slip anyway...to Giles at least. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Ya because Giles really wants her to know that.... I love Giles but he does have a history of keeping things from her |
| DeathIsYourArt | In any event, it requires some attention... along with where Wesley is going, and what the hell is Lorne up to etc.... |
| MattH | True...but he would end up writing it down somewhere. Then someone comes along, reads it, and hijinks ensue. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I am still thinking Lorne should go evil, it would be so good. Plus he is already slipping and reading people wrong all over the place |
| MattH | Lorne was so underused this season... |
| DeathIsYourArt | This current story line goes back quite a ways, and Lorne has been reading wrong since Angelus last season |
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| DeathIsYourArt | hello |
| MattH | Well, Lorne hasn't really had a "right" reading since S2 E1 in my humble opinion |
| MattH | Hiya GonzaloP |
| DeathIsYourArt | We need more Lindsey too |
| DeathIsYourArt | shirtless of course |
| Elais | it could very well be that he no longer has a connection to the TPTB |
| DeathIsYourArt | You would think he would have said something |
| Elais | was it every really clear if Lorne got his stuff from the higher ups? |
| DeathIsYourArt | Actually isn't it just his species |
| MattH | Lorne never really did...he himself mentioned that once. His abilities were inherenet (common to all Pyleans) |
| MattH | Most Pyleans just use them to track and kill things is all. |
| Elais | how did they do that? |
| Elais | get them to sing? |
| MattH | Unlikely, given the Pylean aversion to music. It was mentioned in the Pylean arc in S2 however. |
| Elais | I should check the transcripts |
| DeathIsYourArt | Maybe their natural prey sing liek birds or something. I don't think humans were their natural prey...that wouldn't make any sense |
| Elais | or just watch the eps |
| DeathIsYourArt | humans had to have come much later in the evolution of pylea |
| MattH | The exact nature of what Lorne can read and other Pyleans can (without music) was never established. |
| MattH | Humans probably weren't native to Pylea. |
| Elais | yeah, I don't think they were native |
| DeathIsYourArt | hmmm something to think about...or write a 6th season arc about |
| DeathIsYourArt | We need more shows, movies...stuff |
| MattH | Probably WRH brought them over as part of the interdimensional slave trade. |
| MattH | Since they had a presence in both realities. |
| Elais | that seems most likely, Matt |
| Elais | maybe as part of that prophecy about comshuking with Groo? |
| MattH | Maybe - although since Cordy is dead, that prophecy appears to be also. |
| MattH | Maybe Sahajan screwed around with it. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I want to know everything about the origins of W&H. Illyrias comments and the books in Pyles, all of it... but I know we will not get it |
| DeathIsYourArt | pylea* |
| MattH | Probably better that way - Joss has a history of translating over established continuity when doing things like that |
| MattH | I would like to see what the relationships of the various "god-like" beings are. We have seen a hell-goddess, an ex-power, an ascended True Demon and now Illyria. It would be nice to see how they, the senior partners and the PTBs fit into the big picture. |
| DeathIsYourArt | maybe.... I am just looking for excuses for the show to continue... I want ME to elaborate on what format it will continue in. Plus, I want Spike in any Buffy movie that might be made |
| DeathIsYourArt | I want to know why Spike knew there was something coming....what gave him that impression adn why is he not just strutting around thinking "I can take them." after the first |
| Elais | actually, I really hope they get rid of the Senior Partners and the PTB the end of this season |
| DeathIsYourArt | That would be nice... I am getting tired of the "man behind the curtain" thing |
| Elais | get back to something similar to season 1 |
| MattH | S1 was chock full of PTB induced visions... |
| Elais | I wonder if that is why they brought back one of the 'old ones' |
| Elais | settle the score and all |
| Elais | well, they proved they didn't need the visions in season two |
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| Elais | well, they didn't need Angel |
| MattH | With what we have learned from Illyria and Jasmine, I think the PTBs are higher up the power scale than the Senior Partners. |
| Elais | gozalo was a quiet fellow wasn't he? |
| MattH | Yes, but he left his mark ;-) |
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| Elais | all bow down to the Lord |
| MattH | That is actually supposed to be LordZero...on the off chance MattH is used in a chat room... |
| DeathIsYourArt | I AM DEATH! (I need to watch the meaning of life again) I have no Lord and master...oh it is just Harris..okay |
| Elais | so your just the Lord of nothing |
| DeathIsYourArt | nah...he is like the count on sesame street...only for only the number ) |
| MattH | Pretty much...was meant to tie into my website |
| DeathIsYourArt | 0 I mean |
| DeathIsYourArt | I keep hitting shift tonight... I never have spelling problems or typing problems until I come to this chat room |
| MattH | Got the idea from the Wizard of Id...instead of 000 aka the "dreaded double-oh-nothing" |
| MattH | If you say so.... |
| DeathIsYourArt | hey...be nice |
| MattH | I am but nice North-Northest. When the wind blows from the south, I am snarky... |
| MattH | With no apologies to the Bard of Avon... |
| DeathIsYourArt | double-oh-nothing...double-or-nothing... I want to watch Lorne in Vegas again, but I don't have that one on tape =< |
| MattH | Yeah...when I first saw Lorne I thought he should sing "It's not easy being green". When he did, I was blown away. The rest of the eps sucked though. |
| Elais | I know the vegas ep was Andy's favorite |
| Elais | it would be great if Andy could headline for real there someday |
| MattH | I didn't know it was his favorite ep...he would make a great Vegas headliner. |
| Elais | I heard Andy was working on a cd |
| DeathIsYourArt | My mother is still holding out for James to sing "Rebel Yell" |
| DeathIsYourArt | But Lorne does need to sing a lot before the season is over...otherwise it is wasted talent |
| MattH | To southern for Spike...but I could see Spike doing White Wedding. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I suggested someone write a fan fic (G rating) of Dawns sixteenth birthday where Spike sings "sweet sixteen" |
| DeathIsYourArt | It wasn't meant as acouple thing, just a nice moment 1000 word fic thingy |
| Elais | then next year, Spike could sing 'Sexy and Seventeenn' |
| DeathIsYourArt | noone ever came through with it though =< |
| DeathIsYourArt | too coupley for me |
| DeathIsYourArt | It is Dawn |
| DeathIsYourArt | I just really want to hear James sing Sweet sixteen |
| DeathIsYourArt | or anything for that matter... I need to win the lotto to go to MR |
| Elais | where do you live death? |
| DeathIsYourArt | And I need to be anywhere that Andy is singing |
| DeathIsYourArt | Montreal |
| Elais | that's right, i remember now |
| Elais | con's are 'spensive |
| DeathIsYourArt | I was telling MAtt. that I just got unemployed due to crappy union rules so I will not have the money to go...I probably wouldn't anyways because I want to go back to school in the fall... stupid non-rish parents |
| DeathIsYourArt | rich* damn it spell correctly |
| DeathIsYourArt | I am an insult to English Montrealers |
| MattH | Everyone has poor typing days now and then. |
| Elais | what are you going to study? |
| DeathIsYourArt | Sound Engineering and eventually Biology as well |
| Elais | interesting combo |
| MattH | That is an unusual combo |
| MattH | Unless you are interested in bats |
| DeathIsYourArt | I tried Physics but I onlty enjoyed it for the first year and a half..the following year was hell and I had to walk away...plus my money ran out |
| DeathIsYourArt | good timing |
| DeathIsYourArt | I'm definately not an English major and will apparently never be. |
| Elais | The Sound and The Cell |
| DeathIsYourArt | ohhh I like that |
| MattH | What do you plan on doing after graduation (career-wise)? |
| Elais | bet you want to get rich |
| DeathIsYourArt | Sound Engineering if I can make a go at it. If not then there are experiments being done with sound to map the human subconscience that sound terribly interesting. And there are always zoology and criminology masters programs that go in and out of my mind |
| DeathIsYourArt | I'm leaving my options open. I was sure last time of a direct route and it didn't turn out |
| MattH | My degree is in Molecular Biology...It wasn't until I got to Grad School until I learned how dull lab work can really be. Plus I don't like working with radioactive materials. |
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| DeathIsYourArt | no I wouldn't either.... I would love to work with big cats though. And I can't hurt a dead body. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Hey impaler! DId you get my message? |
| Elais | hey impaler! |
| impalergeneral | OK, I'm sorry. I didn't know there was a meeting |
| Elais | nah |
| Elais | I just wondered if anyone was in here |
| impalergeneral | yes, DIYA, I got your message, and I also commented on last week's Wonderfalls |
| Elais | and stayed because there WERE people in here |
| DeathIsYourArt | I missed last weeks *whoops* |
| impalergeneral | oops, then maybe you shouldn't read my e-mail because it mentions what happened to Jaye |
| DeathIsYourArt | it is better then not knowing |
| MattH | I have seen 3 eps of Wonderfalls....don't really care much for it. Seems like a semi-clone of "Dead Like Me", which I don't really care for. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I will read with enthusiasm |
| impalergeneral | Good. Besides, I also mentioned the 13-episode idea here, while I posted at the Fox Forum |
| Elais | i like it, but don't love it like other viewers |
| DeathIsYourArt | I like epy 2 much more than 1. Of course I have been the target of a clone and the whole over educated can't get appreciated thing. So that might have had somethign to do with it |
| impalergeneral | last week's show went out of hand. Jaye should get some sign that following trinkets will benefit her in th elong run |
| Elais | I do hope it sticks around a bit, though |
| Elais | too often a promising show gets axed when it doesn't bring in gonzo ratings |
| DeathIsYourArt | I'll watch since it looks like there will be no Joss on t.v, but I don't see myself addicted or anything |
| MattH | I actually don't much like the main character. To be blunt, she seems like a loser. |
| DeathIsYourArt | LOL |
| DeathIsYourArt | The time slot has been changed and it was a bit hit on Thursdays. I think the show will get picked up |
| impalergeneral | that's only because Jaye figures that her family is already disappointed in her, and she thinks she'll never accomplish as much as the others did, so why bother. No wonder a bunch of trinkets are trying to bug her |
| DeathIsYourArt | I think the Monkey Pen might disagree |
| DeathIsYourArt | kidding |
| DeathIsYourArt | I would love to start hearing voices...at least for a little while. It would make my life so much more interesting |
| MattH | Well, her family is disappointed in her. Failing I can accept, she seems to have given up on life. Same problem I have with "Dead Like Me" |
| DeathIsYourArt | I miss my voices... I know I used to have them |
| impalergeneral | did you have to pull a string attached to them to hear them? |
| Elais | I heard the move is permanent |
| DeathIsYourArt | he he he nope |
| MattH | I used to hear voices...until I figured out that my clock radio was set to wake me up to news as opposed to a buzzer |
| Elais | wonderfalls is better suited to follow after Tru Calling anyway |
| DeathIsYourArt | That must have been disappointing |
| MattH | The move is supposed to be permanent. It makes a lot of sense with Tru Calling proceeding the show. |
| DeathIsYourArt | Can I just say once again that I really do not like Tru calling |
| Elais | now they'll just have those two crappy reality shows on Friday |
| Elais | I haven't really gotten hooked on Tru Calling |
| DeathIsYourArt | And can they fire the make up people and get Eliza some help there. |
| impalergeneral | yeah, but don't you think Fox is just pushing Wonderfalls out there at 9 PM because it's going to be mauled by CSI and The Apprentice anyway? |
| MattH | It has its moments...If it is renewed I doub it will last more than 2 seasons. |
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| impalergeneral | and we should know where the voices are from, maybe the Maid of the Mist trying to help Jaye |
| MattH | WB GozaloP |
| impalergeneral | Hi, GozaloP...so where are you from? |
| MattH | So far, they don't seem to have been much help |
| DeathIsYourArt | lets see if he talks this time... this guy is the antithesis of the trinkets..no talking |
| Elais | it may be that Tru Calling/Wonderfalls draws an audience that doesn't care for CSI or the apprentice |
| MattH | Probably...of course some shows don't draw any audience. |
| DeathIsYourArt | If CSI gets off its soap opera trail, and actually finished one of its subplots instead of dropping them, then I will be returning to it. |
| impalergeneral | like th eone that dares some woman..."find the gay man for a million dollars". They dumped that show, by the way |
| Elais | not surprised |
| DeathIsYourArt | THANK THE FATES |
| Elais | I thought she split the million if she chose a straight guy |
| Elais | the gay guy gets the whole million if he is chosen |
| Elais | it's not so much a dating shows as a competition on who's gaydar is better |
| DeathIsYourArt | it is obscene |
| MattH | Worse...it is boring. |
| impalergeneral | since when is a gaydar level important to have? |
| DeathIsYourArt | ya that is worse |
| DeathIsYourArt | gaydar does nothing but help you avoid certain embarassing situations in a bar...though I personally have never come across such an occasion where someone was wrong |
| Elais | I'm wating for the next show that will feature a batchelor trying to spot the lesbian |
| DeathIsYourArt | he he he |
| DeathIsYourArt | Hopefully they will not even consider making that one |
| impalergeneral | c'mon, that's so tasteless...and what network wants to be proud to even consider airing such a show? |
| DeathIsYourArt | WB? |
| impalergeneral | and get away with it? Besides, it sounds too much like "the Man Show" |
| Elais | oh fox is a beacon of taste |
| MattH | I don't watch "reality" shows at all, so I really don't care what they do. |
| DeathIsYourArt | me neither |
| impalergeneral | yeah, it had its taste removed by the W and H docs so it can make "Joe Millionaire 2" |
| Elais | the only reality show I'm hooked on is the Apprentice |
| impalergeneral | to me, the best reality series is the NCAA Basketball Chmapionships |
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| DeathIsYourArt | I don't like basketball. I'm a hockey girl, with a bit of european football thrown in |
| impalergeneral | I did, but Stanford lost!!!! Right now, Oklahoma State for the men, UConn for the women |
| MattH | My internet connection is really lousy tonight for some reason. |
| DeathIsYourArt | too many save angel fans on the internet |
| MattH | Doubt that is the problem...would be nice if it were. |
| DeathIsYourArt | i know |
| DeathIsYourArt | I want an update ont he rally... pics and everything...and wow is that the time...oh well who needs sleep ? |
| impalergeneral | if only there was enough to disable the WB completely...maybe hack into their system so we have "Angel" this week rather than a "Viewer's Choice Smallville" |
| MattH | I don't watch Smallville reruns...or Angel reruns for that matter |
| DeathIsYourArt | I would just love if someone hacked their sight and put up a pro Angel message. "Cancel our show and I'll cancel you" , or something to that effect. Why did I stop talking to my hacker friends again? hmmm? |
| Elais | the only report i've seen is at the Angel's Soul Spoiler Board |
| Elais | hang on.....just checked the beta |
| DeathIsYourArt | I'm avoiding spoiler boards. I am getting leaks from regualr boards...no chances are being taken |
| impalergeneral | is there a massive traffic tie-up? |
| Elais | don't think so |
| Elais | The Saving Angel Rally outside the WB Ranch in Burbank, CA is still going strong and has been |
| Elais | extended past 7pm. KNBC might be sending a truck to cover the rally, so if ANYONE from Los |
| Elais | Angeles wants to come, there's still time. Check out http://www.savingangel.org for more |
| Elais | info. |
| Elais | |
| Elais | Right now there are 90+ people protesting. The signs are great and the crowd is VERY loud. The |
| Elais | WB PR guy Keith finally came out to talk to the protesters. So they finally got the WB's attention. |
| Elais | |
| impalergeneral | All I know about what's coming up in two weeks is that two people will return much to most people's surprise |
| Elais | If anyone can't come, but lives in So Cal, give your local media outlet the scoop, there's a HUGE |
| Elais | protest outside the WB Ranch they SHOULD be reporting on. Especially KTLA. |
| Elais | |
| Elais | |
| Elais | that was a cut and paste of the post on the beta |
| MattH | 90+ people...that is much bigger than the Friday one. |
| impalergeneral | was that the maximum? |
| DeathIsYourArt | awww that is happy news indeed |
| Elais | maximum of what? |
| impalergeneral | size of the crowd |
| DeathIsYourArt | One of the stations was suppose to cover it...stupid indian givers |
| impalergeneral | maybe they were distracted by another car chase |
| Elais | it started out small |
| Elais | probably because it started at 3 pm LA time |
| Elais | most people were probably still at work or something |
| impalergeneral | there should be a demonstration of angry Angel fans that pops up all of a sudden. THAT should prove the WB's making a mistake |
| DeathIsYourArt | I wonder if the next mission should be to buy pop ups for the computer...some company has to do that. And just send it everywhere |
| DeathIsYourArt | GozaloP is still silent...very confusing |
| Elais | that might be something you can suggest to the savingangel.org site |
| Elais | most people find pop ups annoying though |
| MattH | Yeah ... which is why I have them turned off. |
| DeathIsYourArt | true |
| impalergeneral | I'd do the same, but it affects my website updating |
| DeathIsYourArt | It might counter the Bush ones though. I'm canadian and I'm getting them |
| DeathIsYourArt | I don't need bush pop ups |
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| impalergeneral | Is the Bush administration trying to get Canadians to vote for Bush? |
| Elais | I don't need bush at all |
| DeathIsYourArt | Even if I was American I don't need a pop up to tell me who to vote for |
| impalergeneral | You should listen to Rush Limbaugh...he sounds so deparate trying to portray Democrats at terrorists |
| DeathIsYourArt | I have no idea what the Bush administration is doing... I don't see them doing much though |
| MattH | Pop-ups can't really tell where you are coming from (except maybe by IP address). |
| MattH | For the record, I am a Dittohead...and that is a gross mischaracterization of Rush. |
| impalergeneral | well, he tries a bit too hard defending Bush |
| impalergeneral | I mean, he says John Kerry looks Fresnch, and that's why we shouldn't trust him? |
| impalergeneral | French, I mean |
| MattH | Heh...the WSJ started the French-looking joke and it caught on. |
| impalergeneral | yeah, but I think the joke where Kerry sounds like Lurch is a bit better |
| DeathIsYourArt | I'm a quebecer. I know French...Kerry doesn't look French. I don't think either of them should run the US though..but what are your options? |
| impalergeneral | you cna say that again |
| DeathIsYourArt | I'm waiting to see who ends up getting the blame for the theft of the files on Kerry and the FBI |
| MattH | Well, I actually like Bush and think he has done a bang-up job as President (no pun intended) |
| MattH | Depends on who did it and what was in the files. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I know you do Harris. just don't see what he has actually done at home for his own people... I just don't see it. And in the end THAT is who he is responsible to |
| impalergeneral | fair enough, because you are judging him by what he's done. I just don't like how some people are working a bit too hard to promote Bush |
| impalergeneral | at the expense of others |
| MattH | Umm...he is killing our enemies...I think that is a good thing. I also worry far too much about governments that try to do "good things" |
| DeathIsYourArt | The files were just survalience that turned up nothing. They watched him after he spoke out against the vietnam war when he returned from it. The FBI decided he was nto a risk |
| MattH | So it is said...in which case why steal them? |
| DeathIsYourArt | sending all your money to Africa to fight AIDS and cutting what is spent on AIDS in the US is what then? |
| MattH | Technically, targetting the problem... AIDS is for the most part under control in the US (i.e. not growing rapidly as part of the population) whereas in Africa it is a very serious problem. |
| MattH | Doesn't mean it is our business to fix that problem, though. |
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| DeathIsYourArt | I feel for the people in Africa ...I DO! owever, they couldn't get hte condom thing that was pushed on them for over 10 years and more than 50% of the POP of the continent has never used a wrist watch. How are they going to effectively take the cocktail for the virus? All it will do is mutate and find its way back to North American in about 50 new forms |
| MattH | Hmm...did I scare her away? |
| MattH | Possibly...retroviruses are one of the things that I studied in Molecular Biology... |
| MattH | Peter "Glow-in-the-Dark" Duesberg was my lab professor in my undergrad MoBio class. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I want to help them too...but I just don't think that sending over the drugs is going to help. They don't have the doctors to monitor and most of the pop doesn't get or trust western medicine |
| impalergeneral | Well, I don't want to talk politics, but thanks for the chat time. I'll see you all next week |
| DeathIsYourArt | bye bye |
| impalergeneral | http://www.geocities.com/impalergeneral |
| MattH | CYA Impaler. |
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| DeathIsYourArt | back to just you and me |
| DeathIsYourArt | LLL will be really ticked npw |
| DeathIsYourArt | now* |
| MattH | I am not disagreeing with you, DIYA. It depends on how the money is spent. Education would be a much better way to spend it than on drugs. |
| DeathIsYourArt | tried that though...didn't work |
| MattH | Especially as retrovirals can't *cure* the disease. |
| DeathIsYourArt | This is bugging me now... I want to have a way to help. Africa is tricky thouhg. You have unstable politics, war lords, and rampant viruses |
| MattH | Depends on how the money is spent...I don't believe African's are inherently stupid, their culture is just backward. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I would say old, or ancient |
| MattH | Which amounts to about the same thing. |
| MattH | In this case. |
| MattH | Technically, I should say cultures, since Africa is hardly monolithic. |
| DeathIsYourArt | though parts of the continent has developed and become what people like to call civilized ( ironic) other parts are still tribal. And I would not want to mess with that... |
| MattH | I agree...although disease doesn't respect cultural boundaries. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I think it may be too big a problem to take on and maybe not for us to do. |
| DeathIsYourArt | This whole global society and help whoever is fashionable today thing has gotten away from us |
| MattH | Especially since most people end up resenting you for helping them, especially in honor/shame cultures. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I'm an athiest and I still think an Arc is in order |
| DeathIsYourArt | be kind rewind |
| MattH | Nah...epidemics run their course. The Black Death wasn't the end of the world in Europe and AIDS won't be in Africa. |
| DeathIsYourArt | In the end I am torn. I'm usually the first to say that ignoring a problem contributes, but at the same time I am a take care fo your own first, let them do the same type of person |
| MattH | Would rather the $15 Billion be spent on prizes for space exploration, ala Jerry Pournelle, or not spent at all by the government. |
| DeathIsYourArt | My fellow Liberals would be shocked and appauled at me... I've become a conservative-Liberal...the shame |
| MattH | Yes, just remember the basic rules.... Bush=Hitler and whatever the US does is wrong if it is in its own interests and the Left will welcome you with open arms. |
| DeathIsYourArt | I am starting to think that space exploration should be privatized. You wouldn't see 100,000 toilet seats then. too much money to be told that there is water where we already knew there was water |
| DeathIsYourArt | Bush isn't Hitler... but I don't like him anyways. |
| DeathIsYourArt | And the US has its faults, and I can name way more than a few, but I don't hate it. |
| MattH | For the record, I despise NASA. Privitization is the the concept behind prizes. $10 billion flat sum (or whatever) for the first US space vehicle to do X (go to the moon etc.) |
| MattH | Reallly...you may not be a member of the left after all... you think too much ;-) |
| DeathIsYourArt | I like NASA, I just don't like their accountant |
| DeathIsYourArt | HEY watch it |
| DeathIsYourArt | I have more than a few nasty words for other members of your republican party... You are probably the only one of the lot that I can talk to without promising to cut off their head |
| MattH | You may want to check out Jerry Pournelle's website. He used to do work for JPL prior to writing SF. He occasionally comments about NASA et. al - http://www.jerrypournelle.com/ |
| MattH | I tend to be part of the Libertarian wing of the Republican party, not the conservative wing. |
| DeathIsYourArt | well that will have to wait for another day... I must be off. I have my -second to last day of work at this- job in the morning |
| MattH | Good luck...and I'll see you next week. |
| DeathIsYourArt | So we are moer towards the middle...that is probably why I don't want to cut off your head |
| DeathIsYourArt | bye bye |
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| Session Close (#TheSuccubusClub): Wed Mar 31 20:26:37 2004 |